RafaMinu wrote:
> On Dec 31 2007, 9:56 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> RafaMinu wrote:
>>>> It could be a joe-job. Or it could be an enthusiastic but ignorant
>>>> junior member of HFI staff.
>>> None of the above.
>>> I sincerely fail to see what's wrong with the post.
>>> Please, explain what it is that bothers you so much.
>> Because it's SPAM, that's why.
> It's NOT SPAM.
> Just because.
>

Sorry, it's SPAM - plain and simple. See the FAQ's for the groups
you're posting in - most do not like ads.

>> And why would you post it unless you're
>> either a junior member of the HFI staff, or doing a joe-job?
> Because I feel like posting it, that's why.
>

Typical response for a spammer - especially a stoopid one.

But your joe-job doesn't work.

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RafaMinu wrote:
> On Jan 1, 1:07 am, "Red E. Kilowatt" <redkilowattREM...@aww-faq.org>
> wrote:
>> RafaMinu <rafam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
>>
>> f14fe715-0a80-4630-8240-fe7454158...@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com,
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 31, 8:00 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> RafaMinu wrote:
>>>>> [spam about] Consulting and teaching positions:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Recruiting Manager
>>>>> Human Factors International
>>>> This bit of spam I don't get.
>>>> 1. A bona fide HFI representative wouldn't be using a hotmail address
>>>> 2. HFI should have no need to spam Usenet with this stuff and I can't
>>>> fathom them doing it
>>>> It's inconceivable to me that this spammer is even remotely
>>>> associated with HFI. What benefit could he possibly get out of this?
>>> And who says I'm a HFI representative?
>>> I find the information interesting and I post it here because it might
>>> be of interest to other people.
>>> What's the problem?
>> Besides the fact that your message is essentially unsolicted advertising
> It's NOT unsolicted advertising.
> I have nothing to do with Human Factors International or We7.
>
>> and as such is unwelcome here, it appears as if you signed someone
>> else's name to it.
>>
>> "Jim Garrett
>> Recruiting Manager
>> Human Factors International"
> Do you really believe that I quote my own posts and then sign them in
> third person?
> I mean, really, what's wrong with you people?
>
>> Jim Garrett is located in Iowa
>> Your IP indicates that you are located in Spain.
> My IP is not an indication of my location.
>
>> And as was pointed out by someone else:
>> "It's unusual for people to read an ad for some arbitrary service with
>> which they have no affiliation and to be seized by the urge to place a
>> note about it in multiple Usenet newsgroups in which they don't
>> participate purely for the benefit of people they don't know."
>>
>> It's not just unusual, but rather unheard of. This sort of thing (to
>> this extent) is never done by a disinterested third party. There's
>> always a hidden agenda.
>
> Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
> than provide useful information.
>

ROFLMAO! How stoopid do you think we are, spammer?

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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:48:59 -0800 (PST), RafaMinu put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>On Jan 1, 1:07-am, "Red E. Kilowatt" <redkilowattREM...@aww-faq.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> Besides the fact that your message is essentially unsolicted advertising
>It's NOT unsolicted advertising.

Of coruse it is. You did read the charters and/or FAQs of the groups
you posted to in order to check that advertising was permissible there
before posting, didn't you?

No, you didn't. And how do I know you didn't? Because at least one of
the groups you posted to forbids advertising. So in at least one of
the groups your post was unsolicited advertising.

>Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
>than provide useful information.

Then do you now accept that posting it was a mistake and promise not
to do it again?

Mark
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"RafaMinu" <rafaminu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc7ab215-7bc2-46e4-82c1-6e353a8abdaa@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 1:07 am, "Red E. Kilowatt" <redkilowattREM...@aww-faq.org>

>> It's not just unusual, but rather unheard of. This sort of thing (to
>> this extent) is never done by a disinterested third party. There's
>> always a hidden agenda.

>Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
>than provide useful information.

Hey, that was the defense one of those convicted spammers used.
He said he was providing a public information service.
Too bad for him, the judge didn't go for it.

RafaMinu wrote:
>> >>> [spam about] Consulting and teaching positions:
>> >>> ...
>> >>> Recruiting Manager
>> >>> Human Factors International
>
> Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
> than provide useful information.

What makes HFI's job openings different or more useful than the other
zillion job postings out there? You aren't going to spam Usenet with all
of them, are you?

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Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:48:59 -0800 (PST), RafaMinu put finger to
> keyboard and typed:
>
>> On Jan 1, 1:07 am, "Red E. Kilowatt" <redkilowattREM...@aww-faq.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Besides the fact that your message is essentially unsolicted advertising
>> It's NOT unsolicted advertising.
>
> Of coruse it is. You did read the charters and/or FAQs of the groups
> you posted to in order to check that advertising was permissible there
> before posting, didn't you?
>
> No, you didn't. And how do I know you didn't? Because at least one of
> the groups you posted to forbids advertising. So in at least one of
> the groups your post was unsolicited advertising.

"Solicited" doesn't mean "permitted". The posting was *unsolicited* in
*all* the newsgroups. That is, unless some participant in all these
newsgroups contacted this person beforehand and requested, "Hey, could
you please post an ad for some service?"

RafaMinu wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2:48 am, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>> RafaMinu wrote:
>>>>>>> [spam about] Consulting and teaching positions:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Recruiting Manager
>>>>>>> Human Factors International
>>> Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
>>> than provide useful information.
>> What makes HFI's job openings different or more useful than the other
>> zillion job postings out there? You aren't going to spam Usenet with all
>> of them, are you?
>
> The very nature of the job offered is what makes it different.
> It's all about accessibility and usability. A most interesting topic
> and related to ALL Groups posted.
> I just wish this thread would focus on that topic.
> If you want to discuss about SPAM, then you should focus your
> attention to the hundreds of SPAM messages posted on this Group on a
> regular basis.
>

No, it doesn't. There are zillions of other job postings of similar types.

You're just a spammer. Nothing more, nothing less.

And we're not talking about other spammers. We're talking about YOU.

We are focusing on the topic - YOUR SPAM.

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RafaMinu wrote:
> On Jan 3, 1:51 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> RafaMinu wrote:
>>> On Jan 3, 2:48 am, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> RafaMinu wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [spam about] Consulting and teaching positions:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Recruiting Manager
>>>>>>>>> Human Factors International
>>>>> Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
>>>>> than provide useful information.
>>>> What makes HFI's job openings different or more useful than the other
>>>> zillion job postings out there? You aren't going to spam Usenet with all
>>>> of them, are you?
>>> The very nature of the job offered is what makes it different.
>>> It's all about accessibility and usability. A most interesting topic
>>> and related to ALL Groups posted.
>>> I just wish this thread would focus on that topic.
>>> If you want to discuss about SPAM, then you should focus your
>>> attention to the hundreds of SPAM messages posted on this Group on a
>>> regular basis.
>> No, it doesn't. There are zillions of other job postings of similar types.
> Untrue.
> Show me just one.
>

Just google. You'll find them all over the place.

>> You're just a spammer. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> And we're not talking about other spammers. We're talking about YOU.
>>
>> We are focusing on the topic - YOUR SPAM.
> Wrong.
> The topic I started is about accesibilty job openings.
> Alternatively I offered some advice to a novel musician.
> Your replies are the ones that are utterly off-topic and not welcomed.
> If you are interested in SPAM, I suggest you stay away from this
> thread and get into one of the zillion SPAM messages available
> somewhere else.
>

The topic you started is SPAM. Nothing more, nothing less. And we're
discussing your SPAM.

Get lost, SPAMMER. Your kind are not welcome here.

And I and others will keep telling you that until you get it through
your thick skull.

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>"RafaMinu" <rafa----@hotmail.com> wrote
[snip]
>Since you are unable to contribute anything positive to the thread,
>I'm going to add a few more links:
>
>Job Opening for Web Accessibility QA
>If you or someone you know has good experience and knowledge in Web
>Accessibility, and wants a good job in California (Silicon Valley),
>please contact me, Dennis, at webaxe at gmail dot com. The position is
>in the QA department for a company that does a financial web
>application.
>http://webaxe.___________-qa.html
>
>Open Posts
>MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
>Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>Web Accessibility Engineer
>
>European Research Consortium on Informatics and Mathematics (ERCIM)
>Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>Web Accessibility and Ageing Consultant
>
>http://www.w3.org/_________ecruitment/
>
>Now, if you want to discuss these postings and/or contribute with
>other links, please do so.
>Otherwise stay off this thread and take your off-topic deviations
>somewhere else.

Now you've just gone and got your fingers up in the air in rebellion like a
kid. "F*ck you I won't do what you tell me"

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RafaMinu wrote:
> On Jan 3, 5:38 pm, "dE|_" <dee-e-...@crackguitar.com> wrote:
>>> "RafaMinu" <rafa-...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> [snip]
>>> Since you are unable to contribute anything positive to the thread,
>>> I'm going to add a few more links:
>>> Job Opening for Web Accessibility QA
>>> If you or someone you know has good experience and knowledge in Web
>>> Accessibility, and wants a good job in California (Silicon Valley),
>>> please contact me, Dennis, at webaxe at gmail dot com. The position is
>>> in the QA department for a company that does a financial web
>>> application.
>>> http://webaxe.___________-qa.html
>>> Open Posts
>>> MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
>>> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>> Web Accessibility Engineer
>>> European Research Consortium on Informatics and Mathematics (ERCIM)
>>> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>> Web Accessibility and Ageing Consultant
>>> http://www.w3.org/_________ecruitment/
>>> Now, if you want to discuss these postings and/or contribute with
>>> other links, please do so.
>>> Otherwise stay off this thread and take your off-topic deviations
>>> somewhere else.
>> Now you've just gone and got your fingers up in the air in rebellion like a
>> kid. "F*ck you I won't do what you tell me"
>
> Up yours ¡¡¡
>

You did not start this discussion with usability issues. You started it
with SPAM. Plain and simple. And now you SPAM more.

You aren't going to find anyone to discuss SPAM with you.

And with that attitude, you won't find anyone to discuss ANYTHING with
you - unless it's another spammer.

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