Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Andreas Prilop wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
>>>> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.
>>> content: counter(item) ": ";
>>
>> In which browser?
>
> Oh, don't expect it to work in IE!
>
> Firefox, SeaMonkey, Opera... the browser must support css counters.
>

Also Konqueror 3.5.8 so I assume Safari will also work.

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Andreas Prilop wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
>>>>> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.
>>>> content: counter(item) ": ";
>>>
>>> In which browser?
>>
>> Oh, don't expect it to work in IE!
>>
>> Firefox, SeaMonkey, Opera... the browser must support css counters.
>>
>
> Also Konqueror 3.5.8 so I assume Safari will also work.
>

It does.

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Also Konqueror 3.5.8 so I assume Safari will also work.

Certainly my Safari (Under Windows). Not IE8 beta though.

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On 25 Aug, 16:50, Andreas Prilop <prilop4...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> >> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
> >> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.
>
> > - - content: counter(item) ": ";
>
> In which browser?

Most, even on cellular phones.

Roy A. wrote:
> On 25 Aug, 16:50, Andreas Prilop <prilop4...@trashmail.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
>>>> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.
>>> content: counter(item) ": ";
>> In which browser?
>
> Most, even on cellular phones.

Not IE7 nor (I'm fairly sure) IE6.

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Steve Swift wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Also Konqueror 3.5.8 so I assume Safari will also work.
>
> Not IE8 beta though.
>

Not surprised.

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Jonathan
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<Pine.GSO.4.63.0808251615270.2568@s5b004.rrzn.un i-hannover.de>,
Andreas Prilop <prilop4321@trashmail.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, dorayme wrote:
>
> > There is a perfectly good way that uses the semantic equivalent of
> > an ordered list, a two column table,
>
> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.

These are two issues. There might be a way to get the latter as a
practical measure. But I will address the first.

An ordered list has the major characteristic as part of its meaning that
the order in which the list items appear is crucial to understanding the
meaning. This understanding can be assisted by adjacent numbers.

There is an issue at this point as to whether the numbers can be mere
labels or must be something deeper - <http://tinyurl.com/54pzce>.

But let us assume that the paradigm is a bread making algorithm where
the numbers are not mere labels. They are both an aid to the reader to
keep track of the order and a crucial indicator that it is an ordered
rather than an unordered list. An ordered list must be read in a certain
way. You do NOT stick the flour in the oven before you add water and
knead ...

A column of bread making instructions could be represented in a table,
the left column having the numbers, the right showing the procedure at
the corresponding number. It is a tabular affair at heart. The numbers
mean something as can be seen by *imagining* column headings, the left
column might be "Order" and the right col heading might be "Do this".

Whether you use an ordered list or a table, you are conveying more or
less the same thing. That is what I meant by semantic equivalence. The
advantage of a table is much greater presentational flexibility.

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On 25 Aug, 21:17, Ed Mullen <e...@edmullen.net> wrote:
> Roy A. wrote:
> > On 25 Aug, 16:50, Andreas Prilop <prilop4...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> >>>> I don't know what you mean by "semantic equivalent" - but I certainly
> >>>> cannot get automatic numbering in a table.
> >>> - - content: counter(item) ": ";
> >> In which browser?
>
> > Most, even on cellular phones.
>
> Not IE7 nor (I'm fairly sure) IE6.

Maybe not Internet Explorer Mobile Browser either, but most of the
rest.

dorayme wrote:

> Whether you use an ordered list or a table, you are conveying more or
> less the same thing.


No not really. A list is a list, with a singular "linear" relationship:
start a 1, then to 2 then to 3...

Whereas a table has a "two-dimensional" relationship where the data is
organized in rank and file, row and column. Where the cross-wise
relationship is significant to the data.

> That is what I meant by semantic equivalence. The
> advantage of a table is much greater presentational flexibility.
>


Not sure how a table add more flexibility. Certainly more complexity if
you want to try layouts that deviate from the grid.

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Jonathan
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Not sure how a table add more flexibility. Certainly more complexity if
> you want to try layouts that deviate from the grid.

Talking of lists, I wrote a CGI webpage specifically for generating
lists of instructions. It's one of the most useful pages I've ever created.

I keep lists such as:

- things I have to take on holiday
- things to do when I get a new CD (there are 13 steps)
- the clocks I have to change when we swap between GMT/BST
- the devices I have to reset after a power failure
- the passwords I have to change regularly

These lists aren't numbered (they are mostly not necessarily sequential)
but they each have a checkbox for each step, so I can keep track of
where I have reached. In this case, tables are handy for keeping the
text on the same line as the checkbox.

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